Editing Suebi (section)

====East of the Elbe====
It is already mentioned above that stretching between the Elbe and the Oder, the classical authors place the Suebic Semnones. Ptolemy places the [[Silingi]] to their south in the stretch between these rivers. These Silingi appear in later history as a branch of the Vandals, and were therefore likely to be speakers of [[East Germanic]] dialects. Their name is associated with medieval [[Silesia]]. Further south on the Elbe are the Baenochaemae and between them and the Askibourgian mountains Ptolemy names a tribe called the [[Bateinoi|Batini]] (Βατεινοὶ), apparently north and/or east of the Elbe.

According to Tacitus, around the north of the Danubian Marcomanni and Quadi, "dwelling in forests and on mountain-tops", live the [[Marsigni]], and [[Buri (Germanic tribe)|Buri]], who "in their language and manner of life, resemble the Suevi".<ref name=sect43>{{cite web|url=https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0083%3Achapter%3D43 |title=Section 43 |publisher=Perseus.tufts.edu |access-date=2014-05-01}}</ref> (Living partly subject to the Quadi are the [[Gotini]] and [[Osi (ancient tribe)|Osi]], who Tacitus says speak respectively [[Gaulish]] and [[Pannonians|Pannonian]], and are therefore not Germans.) Ptolemy also places the "[[Lugi Buri]]" in mountains, along with a tribe called the [[Corconti]]. These mountains, stretching from near the upper [[Elbe]] to the headwaters of the [[Vistula]], he calls the [[Askibourgian]] mountains. Between these mountains and the Quadi he adds several tribes, from north to south these are the [[Sidones]], [[Cotini]] (possibly Tacitus' Gotini) and the [[Visburgi]]. There is then the Orcynian (Hercyian) forest, which Ptolemy defines with relatively restricted boundaries, and then the Quadi.

Beyond this mountain range (probably the modern [[Sudetes]]) where the Marsigni and Buri lived, in the area of modern southwest Poland, Tacitus reported a multitude of tribes, the most widespread name of which was the [[Lugii]]. These included the [[Harii]], [[Helveconae]], [[Manimi]], [[Helisii]] and [[Naharvali]].<ref name="sect43"/> (Tacitus does not mention the language of the Lugii.) As mentioned above, Ptolemy categorizes the Buri amongst the Lugii, and concerning the Lugii north of the mountains, he named two large groups, the Lougoi Omanoi and the Lougoi Didounoi, who live between the "Suevus" river (probably the [[Saale]] ([[Sorbian languages|Sorbian]]: ''Solawa'') or [[Oder]] river) and the Vistula, south of the [[Burgundi]].
[[File:Vindobona Hoher Markt-79.JPG|thumb|Suebi Captive Representation in Roman bronze figure]]
These Burgundians who according to Ptolemy lived between the Baltic sea Germans and the Lugii, stretching between the Suevus and Vistula rivers, were described by Pliny the Elder (as opposed to Tacitus) as being not Suevic but [[Vandals|Vandili]], amongst whom he also included the Goths, and the Varini, both being people living north of them near the Baltic coast. Pliny's "Vandili" are generally thought to be speakers of what modern linguists refer to as [[Eastern Germanic]]. Between the coastal Saxons and inland Suebi, Ptolemy names the [[Teutonari]] and the "Viruni" (presumably the Varini of Tacitus), and further east, between the coastal Farodini and the Suebi are the [[Teutones]] and then the [[Avarni]]. Further east again, between the Burgundians and the coastal Rugiclei were the "Aelvaeones" (presumably the Helveconae of Tacitus).