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== German Wikiversity course "software test" - you want this also in English? ==

===solved: first start===
Hello everybody,

have a look [[Topic_talk:Software_Quality_Assurance_test#German_Wikiversity_course_.22software_test.22|here]] please. I would like also to begin with the course here. Perhaps one of the admins/custodians can guide me, where it would fit the best? Also I would be more than happy, if some people would join as tutors for the course and also take part in it. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 17:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:I like this line: ''Man kann alles testen - nicht nur Software.'' - Is [[Topic:Sofware testing]] good? Or perhaps [[Topic:Software validation]]? --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 17:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
::Hello HappyCamper, thx for the fast feedback. I would prefer "software testing". Validation would be one part of testing only. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 18:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
::Actually this is one of the goals of the course, that people do not see testing only focussed on computer science. We can test practically everything. There are no limits - only the ones which you set for yourself. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 18:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)<br>
::I have created the topic now [[Topic:Software_testing|here]]. Will add first the navigation template soon. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 18:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, I'm familiar with that particular school of thought. We can collaborate a little bit to help get things up and running. --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 18:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
::Great, I hope others will join too. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 19:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

===solved: already one problem with navigation bar===
Could you have a look [[User_talk:HappyCamper#course_software_testing|here]] please? I have a prob with the navigation bar. Perhaps someone could help? --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 19:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:[[User:Hillgentleman|Hillgentleman]] was so nice and helped. Thx again. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 07:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

===some pages translated===
Hi, two pages are already translated: [[Topic:Software_testing|main page]] and [[Topic:Software_testing/meeting_place|meeting place]]. I would be happy, if you could have a look. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 23:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:more pages were translated. Could somebody have a look, if format, style, wording and so is in the tradition of the English Wikiversity. Would be bad, if this would be found at a later stage. And if you also would review the content so far, this also would be nice. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 16:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::So, nearly all main pages are translated so far (please keep in mind, that the German versions are not yet finished). I will translate the discussion pages later, now I just added the links to the German talk pages. Will be interesting how this will be with this feature: [http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Multilingualism/En#Proposed_system multilingual discussion system]. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 20:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

===technical question: for discussion pages: linking to pages in other languages is not possible ?===
Hi, I would like to link the [[:de:Kurs_Diskussion:Software-Test/Einleitung|German discussion page]] with the [[Topic_talk:Software_testing/introduction|English discussion page]]. Reason: that both languages can be accessed easily and grow together - otherwise one language will dominate in the end. So, maintaining the discussion/pages would be easier. But: this seems not to work: I tried with: de:Kurs_Diskussion:Software-Test/Einleitung - but with the main pages, e.g. [[Topic:Software_testing/introduction|here]], it works. Can anybody help? --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 14:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:I speak and write only English, but I have started a [[Topic:Multilingual Studies|Multilingual Studies]] division and a [[Topic:Translation|Translation]] department, hoping to get some better collaboration between the different language Wikiversities and Betas. [http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Babel This discussion] indicates that multilingual discussion and interwiki collaboration is going to be difficult, but i don't think it's impossible. Could sure use your help. [[User:CQ|CQ]] 16:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::I think the inter-lingual is disabled in the ''talk:'' page, but one can do it by hand with [[:de:Kurs Diskussion:Software-Test/Einleitung]].--[[User:Hillgentleman|Hillgentleman]]|[[User talk:hillgentleman|User talk]] 21:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I tried before, but it did not work. Either I am doing something wrong or perhaps you can show me on one discussion page, then I could continue. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 21:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

:Hi CQ, the reason for my question was to combine both courses (German + English), so the participant numbers will increase. And so far I can say it helped already. I got some more ideas by other people and also while translating thought about other stuff - so definitely translation/cooperation over many languages should be done.
:I think that over time collaboration will be bad to handle, so everyone would focus again on their own languages. But right NOW, where there are so few participants, I think we need to unite more people from different languages, to get the courses going. Later we can see, how it develops. 
:So, this means some few people will do the lions work here :-) 
:For my next steps I would say this: Let me first translate the project into English, then you can count on me (at least some typos on the pages you mentioned I fixed :-) ). 
:What would also make the task easier here is following [[w:Talk:Watchlist#watchlist_over_several_wikis|feature]]: a site that has my complete watchlists, so I do only need to login there to see the changes. I do not know, if this exists yet? --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 21:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

::See [[Wiki Journal]] and [[Wikiversity:Publishing original research]]. --[[User:JWSchmidt|JWSchmidt]] 00:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Hi JWSchmidt, thx - I have created a request and an article [http://academia.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Journal_of_Computer_Science_and_Software_Engineering#Wikiversity_course_software_testing here]. Who knows, perhaps we can gather some people there also. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 22:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

===already one result===
During translation of the pages, there is already one small fact/result observed:<br> 
the English wikipedia has no articles of the white box design techniques (but almost all are in German wikipedia available). See [[Topic_talk:Software_testing/design_technique#white_box|here]].<br>
Question which I have here now is:<br>
is there a general page, where the different courses/research institutes/reseraches can publish some results, they gained?<br>
This could be used for getting more people into the courses - also for making positive PR. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 20:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:Someone was talking about a wiki journal, which would be a good idea (a research journal with a lower threshold of time commitment), however what you look to be talking about is a sample results page.--[[User:Rayc|Rayc]] 22:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, like you say: the result mentioned is not so interesting yet and it can be created such a results page in the topic itself.
::If there is probably more research in future, then there can be established such a wiki journal. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 23:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::JWSchmidt gave me a hint, so I asked for help in [http://academia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page academia.wikia.com]: at the Journal of Computer Science and Software Engineering [http://academia.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Journal_of_Computer_Science_and_Software_Engineering here]. Let's see what will happen. --[[User:Erkan Yilmaz|Erkan Yilmaz]] 18:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)